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BROWNLEE, Michael
And the second thing is that we are going to take some questions in the chat. The chats just just turned off at the moment. It's not there for people to chat to each other in the meeting. It's we're gonna use it at each point in the webinar will open it up and you can pop your questions in and then we'll go through them.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
So thank you for attending today. So my name's Michael Brownlee. I'm part of the National Behaviour support team who's leading the work that we're currently doing regarding practitioner suitability. Just before we start, I just want to briefly introduce the team that are also working on this. So first you have Jeremy Nunez, if you can probably Cameron, Jeremy and say hello.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
You should pop up on the screen, so Jeremy's primarily dealing with our Estuary 9.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
So yeah, that was me. My bad. Sorry about that one. Just a minute. You have technology, so Jeremy's probably rose working with the S 29 submitting. You had to do with him.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
We've also got Dante Funez, who is who is one of our practice advisors who is assessing the suitability applications. If you can say Hello, Dante, you did. Yes, very good.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
And then we've also got Shalini men on who's our primary point of contact in the inbox, who many of you have dealt with and is also assessing practitioner suitability applications and just say hello showing me great. So.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Right. So the structure. So for the webinar today is essentially we're going to discover a bit of an update on the MDRV S39 practitioner notification stuff here. Just put that on here, but I can hear myself.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
So put your speakers on here. Sorry.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah, and that's good that I can hear myself cause hopefully everyone else can hear me. So can I talk about the ending of the S 29 practitioner information and then we're just gonna go to some Q&A about the suitability process. So we've got some stuff that are common questions people have asked and also about using the portal when you're completing your application and any other questions that you have. So we'll open up the chat at the end of each session for you to populations in and then we'll go through them. And then we'll also do that at the end.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
So firstly just wanna talk a bit about the changes happening regarding the S39 form and visual suitability. So as you are well aware, section 29 of the pair of support rules is a transitional component that supports the establishment of the Commission by requiring providers to notify us of who their practitioners are.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
And up till now we've received those notification forms and we've given people what's called a provisional suitability. And we've given that on the basis that the person who is the practitioner is engaged by a provider that's registered for behavior support and then we've issued letters to confirm that.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh, essentially?
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BROWNLEE, Michael
As so, we have a yeah. So essentially where we're moving to is is a session of the S 29 arrangements and we're moving towards a more full compliance with the rest of the requirements regarding suitability. So particular section 17 of the rules that the requirements will provide us to use and NDS behavior support practitioner and what that means is a behavior support partition that's been assessed against the framework. Also the section 38 of quality indicators, which is part of the audit requirements for providers also.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Looks to see that all practitioners have been considered suitable, and so this should also resolve that minor nonconformity that sometimes comes up with new providers when we haven't considered them provisionally suitable because you're not registered yet. This this movement towards not having S 29 means that you can apply for suitability.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Independently of whether you're yet engaged by a provider.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
So basically up until this change will occur from 1 July.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
2022 so up until over the past 12 months, all existing provisionally suitable practitioners have been invited to submit their applications.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
If you haven't received any invitation, you can still submit it now and I would suggest that you do so.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
The the Applications Portal is open to anyone who wishes to apply to be considered suitable as a practitioner.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
So up until now that's been happening and new anyone knew coming into the market has completed.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
I just mean I notification form and continue to receive provision suitability and then post that is now being asked to also then do their full assessment against the framework.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Post one July.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
What will happen is that all the existing practitioners that have provisional suitability that continues to be valid until you receive an outcome on your suitability assessment application.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
And what's going to be different? Is it all new application or new practitioners entering the market?
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Won't go through the story. Nine form balance simply apply in the applications portal and need to be considered suitable before they can commence working as support practitioner. So provisional suitability will no longer be granted.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Terms of what comes out of that process. So there's there's.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
To date, there's been a people get a letter of the setting that their provisionally suitable those continue to remain valid.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
And that's where we've tied that decision to them being engaged by that particular registered provider, what will we move into is in this is already started is that you'll get once you've completed yourself assessment against the framework and put all the information in the, we've reviewed it.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
That outcome letter that states that are individual practitioners suitable. You won't have a provider name and what it means is that you as a person have been assessed against the the positive behavior support capability framework and you can tag that letter and work with any registered provider for behavior support. We don't need to resubmit an estuary nine form, you don't need to resubmit, reapply the suitability you've now met that that requirement.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Noting that both requirements to continue to apply that behavior support can only be done by registered providers for behavior support to other need to be registered yourself. If you're a sole trader or you need to be engaged by a registered provider, however, you'll be able to address both those requirements more independently.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
It can essentially the process we have gone through is over the past 12 months and we'll provide we're in the process of transitioning tire cohort of provisional provisionally suitable practitioners across the nation. Through the process there will be invited to complete their applications. If you haven't received an invite, you can absolutely go in and complete one now.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
People that have been considered provision super continue to be considered suitable up until they receive their outcome on their application.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
And I'll see with people. Yeah, if people haven't submitted by the time, and they will provide it, then you may be at risk of having a provisionally provisional suitability revoked.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh, and provisional suitability will continue to be issued for new practitioners up until the 30th of June. From one July. It'll just be you. Just they'll just be a suitable outcome or not suitable.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh, so if you want to pop the chat on Shalini.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
I do want to. I'm going to move on to talking about what does that mean for new people entering the market, but I do want to just we're just gonna able the challenges if anyone would have any particularly non personal issues, yes. So with the questions.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh, where we're answering general questions that people would like to know about the process and things generally were not able to answer any individual.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
People's it we can't say anyone who's got a specific query about their application in this forum, so please don't populate the chat with those kinds of questions today. You've probably already emailed us and probably about to respond to you in the inbox at some point.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Chancellor chat is on so, so I'll just I'll move on to the next section. So just you can feel free to pop any questions in and we'll visit them at the end. So obviously with this change.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
There is obviously some cause and how do we partition is getting into the market so the provisional suitability pathway, if you will, kind of lend itself quite nicely to people entering the entering the market, getting some experience and then developing their skills at the call level.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
So we do wanna retain that ability for people to be able to enter the market, noting that you do need to have some something to leverage off, you need to have some kind of relevant qualification or some kind of relevant experience or a combination of the two.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
You can't walk into the behavior support with with nothing behind you, so however, so essentially what will happen from one July if you are brand new entry level practitioner you you can go into the applications portal and complete your application. What has been happening is people have been doing a self assessment of themselves against the framework and having a supervisor endorse that and they've been pulling together a portfolio of evidence that supports that. Now you might not be in a position to do that as fully.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
As as someone who's been practicing for some time can do so. If you are in that circumstance, what you can do is when you come into the portal, select the alternative assessment pathway rather than self assessment pathway. There's a bunch of documents that you need to attach which I'm just going to cover in the next slide and essentially part of that is having a professional development plan about if you have got areas against the core capabilities in the framework that you just haven't.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Haven't been had experience to to attempt.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
That you have a professional development plan that outlines how you're going to do that and that you have an agreement with it, someone who's going to supervise you and what will then do is then we'll reconsider your suitability in 12 months time. And that's just in the surance to be able to allow you people just to enter the market to start working, but ensuring that they have appropriate supervision and that.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm. And that that they are progressing, making sure they're developing at the core level.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
So how we have questions, OK. I just.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Ohh, just going to jump to next slide 1st and just go. So if you are around new practitioner from one July you don't you don't do the 21 service, there's no more S 29 form. Do you application and then you need to attach a resume with any relevant training experience. Certified copies of any qualifications that you have the professional development plan that I mentioned. My supervision agreement with the proficient level behavior support practitioner who's agreed to supervise you should you start comments working with a provider.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
And there's also a declaration form that just just strengthens the commitment to that professional development component. Whilst you are considered suitable, there will be a letter going out to the various sport providers explaining this further and having an additional fact sheet that also covers it as well.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh, so I'm gonna just stop there and just turn to what questions have come up in our chat.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
First question from Belinda. How long will it take for new applications to be assessed?
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Excellent question. So obviously that's yeah, so there's also concern about and I actually had that in my notes and dismissed it. So four weeks is what we are committing to. So from 1 July.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
We'll be identifying those new applications as opposed to the ones that are existing that we're working through and having a prioritization system to complete his community to four weeks so that we can ensure those people will have gone through an assessment process but can also start working as soon as possible.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
So have her question about for people completing in its 29 form, so I'm assuming you know the few remaining we're going to submit. Well, they have to wait 12 weeks. Or do they wait for the letter prior to completing self assessment so they don't need to wait? I think she's referring to the invitation. Ohh yeah. Yeah. So you don't need to wait for any of it types. You will will I think there's a group of people that we still need to give an invitation to the new letter.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
That we send out does also suggest we'll tell you that you need to go and start it. Basically it is open to everyone and as we move into the final stages of moving from provisional suitability to full implementation of the capability framework, anyone can apply. I would suggest you if you haven't got one, just go in and apply now whether you're new or whether you're already provisioning suitable so that you've got your application in.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm, we have a question. You kind of already answered, but when will the current applications be processed? Yes, so so absolutely I'm here. Yeah. So we are working through a large number of applications and we are they're about 70% of the way through all of them.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
And we have, I think in a quite a few outcomes about to be issued as well.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
So that has taken some time as we've established some of our processes. So we do apologize for the delay that there has taken quite a long time in some cases. But yeah, we're we're 70% of the way through probably next three months that will be completed and we'll just be doing new ones at that time. That's also including people who have received requests for information. So we're trying to at least give all of them a once over and a look at and assessment.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
But.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
If you have received a request for information and it's been some time since you've received anything else to not stress about that because yeah, that's so it's a few of them, yeah. And we will get to all of them and you will receive an outcome.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
It's it's just, it's just taking those. It's just a lot for us to get through, but we are committed to complaining. We'll actioners with pending applications, be able to work or will they have to wait for an outcome letter.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Yes, that's a good question, Mr Point, to clarify. So if you are talking about a brand new person that has never had any provisional suitability.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm. Then if you're, if you if you have provisional suitability or if you have full suitability, and then you can work as long as you're engaged by registered provider.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
So if you're, if you had that existing provision suitability, you're you can continue to work and you can continue. You'll continue to be provisionally suitable up until you get that outcome from your application. If you're referring to people that are brand new once they through applying the portal from 1 July.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
They need to wait till they get the outcome because you have to be considered suitable to be able to do behaviour support.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh, so that that's why it's important that we've got a system to commit to four weeks, so that that is delayed beyond a reasonable time frame.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Amber asks what does this mean for provisionally suitable practitioners who are waiting their outcome and have left their.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Previous provider and are now working for a new organization. Do you need to resubmit an S 29? How do you update your application contact details. Yeah. So that's kind of two questions. Yeah. And that has been a bit of an issue, so.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Ah, you you just need to e-mail us your new contact details.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
And you may have a little issue with just getting your access once you've once you've completed the application.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
It and I'll talk more about this later on about the process. It goes into the provider for when you have your own profile where you can update your own personal details, but there are some people that have changed providers during their assessment process. The best thing is just to e-mail us with your new contact details. If those are different to the ones that you provided on your application.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
And essentially, once you get your outcome you you can work for any provider that's registered.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm, so over the next few weeks we'll be moving through a lot more. We'll be completing a lot more of the outstanding applications.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
So I'm gonna. We just haven't had the question last time and I'll we are gonna provide us some more specific advice on it technically.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
You should do a nest in US 29 for that provider for the new provider you're looking for, but it all just gets quite messy actually, so I think we'll just we'll take that one on notice and provide a more specific response to the attendees and not our website as well.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Essentially, yeah. Essentially, once you've got you, it's kind of a bit of a.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Bit of a transition thing that hopefully will resolve itself in the next few weeks because you you'll have your outcome when it's.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
We have had a number of questions around S 20 nines. Whether or not they're still being processed. For the ones that are being submitted. So the yeah, we will still be processing. We're processing all of them up until the 30th of June, June, June, yeah. So basically.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Thursday.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
So it might take time before you receive, you know, a a few weeks before you receive an outcome, but there will be people, for example, that submit on the 30th of June and will receive it afterwards, and there will not be.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
You can't submit after that day, yeah.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
So we're right anyways.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
It's just looking for any ones we haven't really answered.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Motion by Diana.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Which one, Diana?
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Panama Marie Marie, 120 this sorry still can so still confused. So I was asked to provide additional information in October. I still haven't received any response. Do I still have to reapply? No, you don't need to reapply. We'll. We'll get to your application and review the additional information it has just taken some time. But if you've got your application, you may hear from us for additional information.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
You don't need to reapply you. You will fact reapplying just makes the data.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
And confusing and you shouldn't be able to reapply in the portal.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
But I it's yeah, I don't need to. It's it will be. We will get to it.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
So my son just have a look for what else series, but I might move on to a few more bits of information. So certainly from from one July if you do change providers or once you've got your suitability outcomes and your profile, then you don't need to do another restrain nine form. If you change providers what you do do is log into your practitioner profile and simply I'll just Click to this page here.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
This is very you update if you're engaged by you provided. Then you just update your details in the in the profile that that's the provider you're currently working with.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
I'm there is a link. Obviously the S 29 form links to the access role for which is separate to these but related in relation to where you need to lodge a plan under the provider you're currently working for.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
I'm So what we're proposing to do with that in this hasn't been implemented yet. What we're proposing to do is that approval pathway will move from the Commission to the authorized Access delegate person in that provider.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
We should streamline the process in the interim.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
If you have a new, if you're a provider and you have a new practitioner join you and they need to lodge your plan, you do just need to e-mail us their name and P number.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Ohh there yeah or they are provisional ID number just so that we don't approve people to have access to your we have support plans that haven't been verified that they are actually connected to you as a provider that's just for privacy reasons.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
And if you lost three or so questions, yeah.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
If the NIS disagrees with an applicant, self assessed level, will the applicant potentially be offered a lower level of suitability or will the applicant have to go through the whole process? Again, that's a great question and really important one for us to talk about.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
When we give feedback about levels.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Based on a self assessment, they are. It is actually only just feedback.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm, sorry the license code.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
So if we provide feedback that we think you're a low level, it's because we don't believe your portfolio supports what what you've self assessed as.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
You don't need to reapply the outcome that are essentially the the administrative decision that's made in a legal sense under the under attack and the rules is that you're either considered suitable or not suitable.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm, the actual levels aren't aren't embodied within the legislation. They sit within the the framework and so we give feedback on if you request feedback.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm, but they don't. They don't necessarily require you to reapply, or certainly you can later on if you have progressed skills and knowledge and want to reapply and.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
At the higher level that's that's fine, but I'm.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
We'll we'll probably talk a bit more about that because that's a bit of a a big concept.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
From Lorraine, we had this in the previous song. The previous webinar earlier today. Yeah. What is the process for practitioners who are coming from overseas and have experience as a behavior support practitioner? Venography NIS in which they may not have much evidence. Yeah, we will essentially.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Essentially I guess.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
We'll look at whatever they do have. So for any application, there's no one particularly qualification that that covers behavior support adequately. And so essentially we do it is a bit of a recognition of prior learning approach where we infer competencies from your portfolio.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
To the framework, so certain people with overseas qualifications it's it's not. We'll, yeah, we could continue to look at whatever and they did have and if they had limited evidence what we probably would suggest is is kind of using the pathway we discussed in regards to new entry level people. So that would complete an application select the alternative assessment pathway entering provide what they do have and then be.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Now, if I OK, there's no risks. Or would we don't have any major concerns?
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BROWNLEE, Michael
You know, as in they had a professional development plan and engagement with the supervisor to be able to commit, to show they can develop their their skills or demonstrate their existence skills in a more verifiable manner.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
You're probably like that same approach and reconsider their suitability 12 months time, which would then give them the opportunity to build up their portfolio.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
And and complete the self assessment and and that and so forth so.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh, last question from Antonio, who asks when submitting the self assessment? It asks for his provisional suitability ID number. Yeah. What do I put in that field if I haven't received my outcome yet? That's not. I can speak to that a little bit, but it's not. It's not a mandatory field. It's not a mandatory field. Although if you do have any information, please enter all information in. Yeah. So the tracking ID is what a lot of practitioners have been doing. So if you have submitted, you would have you need to put anything in there.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
You don't need to if you haven't received a provisionally suitable ID, then you you're not considered provisionally suitable, so you you can still do your application for suitability and you'll get an outcome from that, which means you can. You'll be considered. It just means just bypass the whole provisional suitable thing, but just to be mindful if you don't have that idea. We haven't received your initial outcome from the S 29 form that you you can't do that. It's more until you've received that.
0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:33.170
BROWNLEE, Michael
And definitely follow up with us if you haven't received it.
0:25:35.410 --> 0:25:42.980
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm. And that's it. So that the chat is currently closed. OK, so just turned off chat just so they can manage questions and not have too much.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Have a chaptered so great alright so.
0:25:48.650 --> 0:25:53.200
BROWNLEE, Michael
And they will open it up again at the end and can have full discussion about anything you wanna talk about.
0:25:55.260 --> 0:25:56.190
BROWNLEE, Michael
To.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
On the passage of profiles so.
0:26:2.150 --> 0:26:5.630
BROWNLEE, Michael
Once you do get your outcome from the suitability assessment process.
0:26:7.310 --> 0:26:12.900
BROWNLEE, Michael
You know, actually moved to the provider portal. So when just a few tips when you're setting up your own provide.
0:26:13.650 --> 0:26:30.80
BROWNLEE, Michael
Prior accounts provider IS is not the portal. Prater is a separate overlay that verifies your identity and it's really important to use your own personal e-mail addresses for your prior account because it's actually about who you are as a person and that way already changes providers.
0:26:31.460 --> 0:26:34.110
BROWNLEE, Michael
Doesn't lock you out the product itself.
0:26:35.430 --> 0:26:42.840
BROWNLEE, Michael
And it's certainly your application details. It's for to use your personal e-mail as well, because it's about your you applying to us.
0:26:44.660 --> 0:27:5.670
BROWNLEE, Michael
As an individual, and certainly the primary e-mail address matching your application is important because sometimes the portal can lock you out if it doesn't think you are. Who if it's not sure who you are, so it's just important to remember in the practitioner profile you can you'll be able to go in and update your personal contact details if they change and there is also.
0:27:6.600 --> 0:27:23.150
BROWNLEE, Michael
A published list of practitioners, vast suitable and which is not live yet. It is, is ready to go, but it's alive and there's a section in that profile where you can change your details that you might want to published as a suitable factor, or whether or not you even want to be published as a suitable practitioner.
0:27:24.790 --> 0:27:25.220
BROWNLEE, Michael
And.
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BROWNLEE, Michael
Great. So that's going to move on to completing an application. So firstly, non submissions, if you we did give due dates to provisionally suitable practitioners to submit. So if you if you unable to submit by that date you may get a risk of having your provisional suitability revoked. But we would write to you if if that was going to occur. And certainly extensions are granted if there's a clear reason or extenuating circumstances.
0:27:53.470 --> 0:27:54.260
BROWNLEE, Michael
So that's.
0:27:55.40 --> 0:28:0.310
BROWNLEE, Michael
That's that's if you've been on leave and you're receiving by whilst you're on leave.
0:28:1.470 --> 0:28:6.640
BROWNLEE, Michael
You do have six weeks to to template that. Once you're back from leave so.
0:28:7.890 --> 0:28:10.60
BROWNLEE, Michael
That's on other allowance.
0:28:11.300 --> 0:28:20.280
BROWNLEE, Michael
So essentially, most people are pretty familiar with the process, but essentially it's really just gathering your own portfolio of evidence.
0:28:21.540 --> 0:28:27.420
BROWNLEE, Michael
Completing yourself assessment of that against the framework and then reviewing that with your supervisor who then and would endorse it.
0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:29.450
BROWNLEE, Michael
And the.
0:28:30.360 --> 0:28:35.760
BROWNLEE, Michael
And so hopefully the evidence across the domains can look something like this, but it's not limited to this.
0:28:36.950 --> 0:28:43.390
BROWNLEE, Michael
So interim plans, functional assessments, cares, what plans, implementation documents, so track where you've done training.
0:28:45.410 --> 0:28:53.170
BROWNLEE, Michael
Or Umm, work with providers supporting implementation of a plan. Any measures you might have used when you reviewed the plan about how effective it was.
0:28:54.370 --> 0:29:9.280
BROWNLEE, Michael
It's a professional development plans and other courses or training relate to the CPD and supervision domain. Other other other portfolio items such as job descriptions. If you don't have access to all the plans you've written in past roles.
0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:19.250
BROWNLEE, Michael
That's OK. And that can be a limitation. So certainly job descriptions are can be helpful and passed employment history can also be considered as part of your.
0:29:20.580 --> 0:29:23.720
BROWNLEE, Michael
Part of your application in those situations.
0:29:25.570 --> 0:29:28.320
BROWNLEE, Michael
Supervision viewer questions about supervision, so.
0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:34.710
BROWNLEE, Michael
Our supervisor ideally should be an experienced practitioner who is at the proficient level.
0:29:36.290 --> 0:30:2.690
BROWNLEE, Michael
However, there are different supervision arrangements around and peer to peer supervision or managers or other professionals, depending on your defenses, are acceptable to endorse them. Although we may, we may ask for more portfolio items if we have any concerns. It doesn't. Your supervisor doesn't need to be employed by the same organization. In fact, it can be good. It's good practice to have some level of supervision done by an external supervisor.
0:30:4.670 --> 0:30:18.190
BROWNLEE, Michael
And if the supervisor themselves are not delivering behaviours put to they're not writing behavior support plans, then technically they don't need to be considered suitable. They're required that applies to people who write the export plans and take the functional assessments.
0:30:19.390 --> 0:30:43.540
BROWNLEE, Michael
It would be good practice though, if they at any time would write a plan or would feedback on a plan if if if in reviewing a plan for a practitioner they they write a section or contribute to it in some way, it could be a bit blurry about whether or not they are writing the plan or not. So it would be generally considered good practice for them to also be undertaking self assessment and understanding what they are and skills and where they're.
0:30:44.900 --> 0:30:47.980
BROWNLEE, Michael
It it covers you off more cleanly, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
0:30:50.80 --> 0:30:51.650
BROWNLEE, Michael
So when you're submitting.
0:30:53.130 --> 0:31:23.700
BROWNLEE, Michael
The first step should be to review the self Assessment Resource guide. That explains a lot about the process, making sure that you enter all your personal details, entering all your relevant work experience into the portal and all your relevant qualifications. It takes us longer if we have to open up the attachments and verify everything we can see you've entered that data. We can process the more efficiently. You do need to complete all the self assessment ratings in the portal. If you've chosen the self assessment pathway. If you haven't done that, we will ask you to withdraw and resubmit.
0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:24.550
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm.
0:31:25.900 --> 0:31:35.390
BROWNLEE, Michael
The signed supervisor endorsement tool needs to be attached, needs to be physically signed because to show that the self assessment is really valid. If you've had someone.
0:31:35.470 --> 0:31:54.100
BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh. Verify with you who's your supervisor or has a supervisor role, and also just a quick note to the supervisor rating level. Isn't the supervisors level, it's the level that the supervisor has endorsed you as the applicant. This. So that's just a quick point out.
0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:57.240
BROWNLEE, Michael
Great. So.
0:31:58.180 --> 0:32:7.820
BROWNLEE, Michael
I'm just going to if you could just, uh, do you have any questions you can just hold on to the motion and keep moving through these and then we'll open it up. But if you get an RFI?
0:32:8.540 --> 0:32:17.750
BROWNLEE, Michael
You will get an e-mail to tell you there's an information request us how instructions on it. You need to go back into the applications Portal and the best way to do it is to go to the link on our website.
0:32:19.130 --> 0:32:44.270
BROWNLEE, Michael
And the Applications Portal is separate from the rest of the portal and that's not LinkedIn products. So you you can't get to it, you can get lost going to the other one in product. So it's just important to go back to our website and go to the portal links, applications Portal. You'll see the application button and then you just go to information requests and just attach a new request information in there. And I think with some mute button or done.
0:32:45.950 --> 0:32:54.300
BROWNLEE, Michael
According to what the button is, if you click the button it'll it'll revert back. That will then say that you've done it and we'll we'll go back and find it and process it.
0:32:55.770 --> 0:32:56.380
BROWNLEE, Michael
And.
0:32:58.470 --> 0:33:16.770
BROWNLEE, Michael
When will you receive your outcomes? So longer suitability has been determined you'll receive an e-mail notification that there's been an outcome on your application. You then get a second e-mail about up to five days later that says we're creating a practitioner profile for you. Essentially, if you get this means you have been found suitable.
0:33:18.180 --> 0:33:21.50
BROWNLEE, Michael
And there's a couple of days for that just to come out, though.
0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:38.620
BROWNLEE, Michael
And once you go, once you verify that link, you'll then be able to log into the provider portal. So actually if you try to go back into the applications, Porter will tell you you can't come in this way anymore. Do you actually go into the provider portal using the practitioner profile role which is now being created for you?
0:33:40.540 --> 0:34:0.180
BROWNLEE, Michael
And your existing provisional stability remains valid until you get that up. Those outcome letters are within your applications. Feel like my golf count where you get a random e-mail saying something happened but you don't find out what that is too killing and download the word itself. It's just to protect the privacy of information and ensure that people can access their letters.
0:34:2.650 --> 0:34:4.140
BROWNLEE, Michael
It's important to note now I.
0:34:6.830 --> 0:34:24.890
BROWNLEE, Michael
Have the time. I'll just keep going along and then we'll stop. So alcohol meter. So we don't end where you've done a self assessment. We don't endorse yourself assessed level of the framework. We're just making a determination of suitable or not suitable. But we do give feedback as part of doing that.
0:34:28.30 --> 0:34:32.690
BROWNLEE, Michael
And if you've been considered suitable, then you're able to live a behavior support services in the NDIS.
0:34:33.430 --> 0:34:36.790
BROWNLEE, Michael
And as long as you're engaged by register provider, which is not wise.
0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:40.900
BROWNLEE, Michael
That's to say that that.
0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:50.960
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah, that's good.
0:34:51.380 --> 0:34:51.770
BROWNLEE, Michael
But.
0:34:53.200 --> 0:35:4.700
BROWNLEE, Michael
Progression of capability levels. So if you're wishing to progress to a high level, then you want to complete complete that complete another application you you go into your profile.
0:35:6.500 --> 0:35:10.610
BROWNLEE, Michael
Which has most of the information from your application, but in a different sort of.
0:35:11.610 --> 0:35:26.60
BROWNLEE, Michael
Formats. You're going to the tab where it says applications and you create a new application to complete your software system at a higher level than what you previously had done, and the system we record your most recent self assessment as your current level.
0:35:28.20 --> 0:35:33.830
BROWNLEE, Michael
And then obviously as yet, you continue to collect your word practice samples as part of that progression to the higher levels.
0:35:36.430 --> 0:35:45.0
BROWNLEE, Michael
Just to reiterate, with the practitioner profile. So once you've application has been completed and you have been found suitable, you actually move into the provider portal.
0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:50.310
BROWNLEE, Michael
And so we can get back into the applications portal to see application.
0:35:51.470 --> 0:35:52.740
BROWNLEE, Michael
It means that hasn't happened yet.
0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:54.480
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm.
0:35:57.790 --> 0:36:2.520
BROWNLEE, Michael
Grace. So, my son, I might do this last slide. So if you do see.
0:36:3.920 --> 0:36:9.710
BROWNLEE, Michael
This this is a common error messages. If you get these this issue where work but you come it says you don't have permission to log in.
0:36:10.430 --> 0:36:33.180
BROWNLEE, Michael
It's just by the browser and the portal become in conflict and it thinks that you're already logged in, or that you're logged in and the solution is just too closely. Browsers and and clear cache and just give everything cleaned out and it gives you results quite quickly. It will take you back to the login page so that you can log in again. The other issue that comes up a lot is just the.
0:36:33.650 --> 0:37:3.360
BROWNLEE, Michael
I'm the supervisor practitioner ID that you can enter into the portal is validated based on the new ID. So if you're supervisor, still provision suitable orders and have an ID, you won't be able to enter it and that's fine. There's not a mandatory field if you don't have that, then if that themselves have the new the P number structure, which is the new format that comes from the portal that we'll use going forwards forever won't be any more variations. That's OK you can just leave it blank and move on with your application.
0:37:3.520 --> 0:37:5.220
BROWNLEE, Michael
Substance. So.
0:37:6.470 --> 0:37:11.700
BROWNLEE, Michael
All the stuff that we wanted to present that we've collected, so we might open the chat part.
0:37:12.670 --> 0:37:14.640
BROWNLEE, Michael
And just yeah, any questions about?
0:37:15.350 --> 0:37:17.520
BROWNLEE, Michael
That's civically, UM.
0:37:21.60 --> 0:37:25.930
BROWNLEE, Michael
Or any other questions that you have, will happy to go through and answer.
0:37:43.850 --> 0:37:50.980
BROWNLEE, Michael
And you need to enter the questions into the chat when we've got 164 people in the meeting. So we're not going to see a hand up.
0:37:51.710 --> 0:37:52.140
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm.
0:37:54.20 --> 0:37:58.250
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yes, we could look through all the names and find where you are, but if you can just enter your question to the chat.
0:38:0.820 --> 0:38:2.550
BROWNLEE, Michael
OK, we've got a few coming through now.
0:38:3.910 --> 0:38:12.890
BROWNLEE, Michael
What happens if we believe in our self assessment that we are at a higher level than the supervisor indicates? Yeah, that's a great question.
0:38:13.50 --> 0:38:13.440
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm.
0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:19.0
BROWNLEE, Michael
That's something you need to resolve with your supervisor.
0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:23.730
BROWNLEE, Michael
And and and come to an agreement about what your level is.
0:38:24.690 --> 0:38:41.360
BROWNLEE, Michael
You look at any of the day, if you don't, if you have, if you've met the core standards, you've met the core capabilities and you don't have any risk flights or other concerns relating to your practice as a practitioner will most likely still consider you as suitable and then submit the requirement to be suitable.
0:38:41.940 --> 0:38:48.20
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm, if you're supervisor, I think sure different then that's something to reflect on with your supervisor about.
0:38:48.820 --> 0:38:54.190
BROWNLEE, Michael
But I think that's and what are the development areas that you you need to undertake in their view?
0:38:54.810 --> 0:38:55.160
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm.
0:38:56.390 --> 0:39:3.840
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah. Another question from Alex Kenna, practitioner work with more than one service provider. Yes, absolutely. And in fact.
0:39:5.130 --> 0:39:18.910
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah. So you yeah, absolutely. Once you're even now you can you can do that. You just have to submit an S29 form for each provider, but you won't have to do that after one July. So after one July.
0:39:18.990 --> 0:39:20.480
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm, you know? Yeah.
0:39:21.610 --> 0:39:34.200
BROWNLEE, Michael
And you want you want you suitability application it it it means you have met that requirement and you can work for any registered provider for his registered for behaviour support because you yourself have been assessed against the phone work and have been considered suitable as a practitioner.
0:39:36.490 --> 0:39:43.250
BROWNLEE, Michael
What happens if I'm considered not suitable in myself with the self assessed level? Do I have to start again?
0:39:44.270 --> 0:39:51.670
BROWNLEE, Michael
Started is that yes, I'm assuming consider not suitable. Then you're not. You're not able to do behavior support.
0:39:53.800 --> 0:40:3.630
BROWNLEE, Michael
I'm assuming she they mentioned they mentioned with the level, so maybe they went for a more advanced or a specialist and they are thinking about resubmitting.
0:40:4.410 --> 0:40:19.540
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah, if you've got it, thought your outcome murder you, it will. It will have the decision as suitable or not suitable. And that will have feedback about the self assessment levels. And so if you've got the outcome of suitable then you can work. You might have feedback to say.
0:40:20.310 --> 0:40:32.280
BROWNLEE, Michael
Now, maybe you're not specialist or you're not. It's pretty much specialist. The ones we're looking at. The other ones, if everything else checks out, OK, we we definitely go with yourself assessed level as being your level.
0:40:34.290 --> 0:40:49.640
BROWNLEE, Michael
To have that answers that question, which sure, that's quite we have a question around extended processing times for the S 29 and that we are stating four weeks for the self assessments, what is the process if this isn't approved in these times to ensure people can work?
0:40:50.940 --> 0:41:20.970
BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh, look fun. So it's a little bit about how we're going to be attacking your ears. Yeah. Yeah. Look, there's 3 nines were not designed as a system to be used on a long term basis. And so there's an incredible amount of manualized work in sorting out some of the issues that continually come up with those data sets. It's actually it's ending that will be a huge create, a huge space for us to really have time that we all get back, which gives puts us in a really good place.
0:41:21.660 --> 0:41:44.860
BROWNLEE, Michael
With the applications portal, those applications come directly to us, to our team. We don't have any barriers to getting access to them. So we will see what's coming in and we can deal with that straight away. Look, the best thing you can do is obviously the Commission does take complaints about the Commission itself as opposed to different different from our compliance function to Ken logic complaint with the Commission. If you're happy with the situation or.
0:41:46.580 --> 0:41:50.400
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah, the usual usual complaints processes is the best thing you can do.
0:41:51.440 --> 0:42:20.590
BROWNLEE, Michael
A question from Xena. What sort of evidence is required for us to prove suitability? Is it only behavior support plans, or are there other types of evidence acceptable to yes. Yeah. Look, I'm. Yeah, certainly. If you've come from a different area where you've done perhaps behavior support type working on the settings such as education might have a behavior management plan in an education setting or mental health recovery plan, there is some transferable witness from those types of things. So you can definitely.
0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:22.890
BROWNLEE, Michael
Was the question what is what you have to do to prove it?
0:42:24.670 --> 0:42:25.140
BROWNLEE, Michael
And.
0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:35.570
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah, there's there's a couple questions. Another one about how we deciding what's considered specialists and things like that, specialists, they're all quite skills, yeah, certainly. Look, in terms of evidence.
0:42:36.810 --> 0:42:41.500
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah, essentially it is a recognition of prior learning type assessment, so.
0:42:42.190 --> 0:43:0.750
BROWNLEE, Michael
And you know, all kinds of evil. Everyone. Everyone has a different level of experience and skills. And so it is quite individualised and whatever portfolio items you have that relate to what's in the framework can be submitted and supported with self assessment if we think that.
0:43:0.830 --> 0:43:32.40
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm. If we're not sure that you have all you've met all the core capabilities we may ask for more evidence or more portfolio items we may wanna talk with your supervisor more and it if there's any gaps, the first step is to look at what can those gaps, those gaps going to be addressed through your ongoing professional development and whether it's just having oversight of that process and whether we can reconsider your civilian 12 months to look at you know, have you undertaken a range of professional development to cover any gaps you have across the core level?
0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:33.950
BROWNLEE, Michael
Across the seven domains at the core level.
0:43:34.620 --> 0:44:5.410
BROWNLEE, Michael
No, that's that would be in our approach to that. We have a couple of questions about currently provisional currently provisionally suitable practitioners. When are we to receive an e-mail invitation and another one when do we need to apply by? Yeah. Yeah. There is some. So yeah, there is a group I think in between. Yeah, that might not have received one well then we'll probably send that out. You know we'll probably have it look the best thing you can either just apply now.
0:44:5.480 --> 0:44:5.810
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm.
0:44:7.750 --> 0:44:16.750
BROWNLEE, Michael
Are we will send that out to you, I guess in a couple of weeks, a week or two probably anyone that we've got on the provisional celebrity list that we haven't sent an invitation to.
0:44:18.270 --> 0:44:48.600
BROWNLEE, Michael
That any new ones the when you get your provisional suitable letter that now it now also invites you to submit. But there is a group just before that I think that may not have received that letter. So it's open to everyone. It's open to everyone. The best thing as we get in these file stages you can it's open to everyone you can go in now and your application you're not strongly encourage you to do so it's a requirement for the provider to use so that will practitioners so yeah you can do it now and you should.
0:44:49.510 --> 0:44:50.550
BROWNLEE, Michael
Definitely do that now.
0:44:51.770 --> 0:45:16.20
BROWNLEE, Michael
So I received my suitability, lettering August, when will my practitioner portal likely be available profile? I think they mean yeah. So if you if you are in New South Wales or SA those ones we start assessing those before the portal was live. So we are arranging a data entry person to set up those profiles in the next the next probably two or three months.
0:45:17.140 --> 0:45:20.480
BROWNLEE, Michael
So that that will become available soon, yeah.
0:45:29.940 --> 0:45:37.710
BROWNLEE, Michael
Interesting one. Are you working towards standardising rates of pay or even awards for BSc?
0:45:37.790 --> 0:45:42.820
BROWNLEE, Michael
That's that's a really interesting one. It's coming up quite a lot at this point in time.
0:45:43.780 --> 0:46:9.270
BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh, we we don't. We don't have any, any any input or views on that decisions by providers as to how they engage staff probably human from HR perspective is with the provider. So if you decide you wanna pay people at different levels based on their levels and the framework that's that's a reasonable and it makes sense and that you would want to do that we don't the Commission doesn't determine those things for providers that's a business decision.
0:46:11.470 --> 0:46:11.810
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah.
0:46:17.730 --> 0:46:27.350
BROWNLEE, Michael
Do you know when you will be responding or providing outcomes to applications from last year? Because very soon, legacy. Yeah, we haven't got. Yeah. Look, there has been some long ones that have.
0:46:28.170 --> 0:46:29.600
BROWNLEE, Michael
Are still waiting outcomes.
0:46:31.20 --> 0:46:37.390
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah, we're we're working through them out in this. That's our main job. So we will get to all of them.
0:46:38.740 --> 0:46:54.530
BROWNLEE, Michael
I'd say next two or three months that will be finalised and we'll only be doing brand new ones from that point forwards. Good question from Rebecca. What is the practical benefit of increasing our level in the self assessment? So maybe it's going through the, yeah, so look.
0:46:56.70 --> 0:47:10.750
BROWNLEE, Michael
There's two components to that. So one component is there's always a benefit to improving your skills and knowledge and the sector has overall in terms of how we support plan quality, it's quite low overall, so obviously.
0:47:12.30 --> 0:47:19.530
BROWNLEE, Michael
Continuing professional development, lifting the the practice standards across passport is is really important. It's important to that from a professional personal point of view as well.
0:47:20.350 --> 0:47:41.560
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm, the the regulatory requirements. If you are suitable then you are you've met the regulatory requirements from a legal perspective, the framework is set up so that you, yeah, you can have a pathway to look at self regulation and look at self measurement of where are you at and some providers are believe are.
0:47:41.870 --> 0:47:47.760
BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh, our setting pages and and conditions for themselves based on that. So, but that's a provided decision.
0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:48.840
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm.
0:47:50.480 --> 0:48:6.470
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah, the framework on does recommend that you need to be proficient if you're gonna supervise others, and if you're writing plan Mystic practices. Ideally you're at the proficient level. You do get anxious when core practitioners with very low experience are including restrictive practices and their plans without.
0:48:7.110 --> 0:48:9.480
BROWNLEE, Michael
The less good supervision from a proficient practitioner.
0:48:12.40 --> 0:48:18.330
BROWNLEE, Michael
Rosie asks how long should a practitioner wait until they submit a new application at a higher level?
0:48:19.610 --> 0:48:28.800
BROWNLEE, Michael
I guess it's all really there. There's not really a time frame. There's not really a set time that says you're now better at what you were doing before. It depends on your own.
0:48:29.980 --> 0:48:31.990
BROWNLEE, Michael
Experiences and you'll supports and.
0:48:32.750 --> 0:48:40.970
BROWNLEE, Michael
And what kinds of, you know, if you've taken on a whole bunch of clients that have particular behaviors of concern or you know, different things you have worked with before or you've.
0:48:41.660 --> 0:48:58.630
BROWNLEE, Michael
You know it's. That depends. It's there's no set response for that question from Leah. When the practitioner applies against the framework, they are meant to get access online. I have the P number granted, but don't have any access online. How do I gain this access?
0:48:58.910 --> 0:49:16.300
BROWNLEE, Michael
And if your if your there's a there is people who supplies in South Australia, we have to set that up manually for you because you didn't do application in the portal. So that's either that's one reason for you otherwise if you did the application the portal once you're suitable.
0:49:17.650 --> 0:49:34.270
BROWNLEE, Michael
It does. You get the e-mail which comes from tier one to verify they set it up for you and then it just verifies that you are who you say you are. And then when you click that e-mail, it creates the role, but they can be with it. There's always a bit of clunkiness that can come up, so if you.
0:49:35.260 --> 0:49:42.450
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah, there is just some clumpiness of time, so that doesn't always work. So I guess if you've emailed gospel, we'll have a look at that for you.
0:49:43.970 --> 0:49:55.880
BROWNLEE, Michael
Margaret asked. What do people who already have provisional suitability need to do? Do we need to apply again? If so, when I think she means doing need to apply for provisional suitability again.
0:49:56.730 --> 0:49:57.210
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm.
0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:0.950
BROWNLEE, Michael
Or she could be asking about the self assessment.
0:50:2.910 --> 0:50:10.20
BROWNLEE, Michael
If you've got provisional suitability, if you change providers, you do need to do another 29 form.
0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:17.890
BROWNLEE, Michael
But if you've done your application then you get suitable you you get what this full suitability.
0:50:18.930 --> 0:50:28.200
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm, you don't have to reapply for that once you've got that, you've got it. It doesn't. It doesn't lapse or end, but we can revoke it.
0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:33.270
BROWNLEE, Michael
But would have we would have, we would have to have reasonable calls to do that.
0:50:34.430 --> 0:50:40.900
BROWNLEE, Michael
Laura asks if you feel you can move up. Do you resubmit the application to move to the next level?
0:50:41.590 --> 0:50:47.50
BROWNLEE, Michael
You just what you do is you create a new application and entering your new self and self self assessment.
0:50:48.690 --> 0:50:52.490
BROWNLEE, Michael
And that will with the profile it, it'll tie or your applications together.
0:50:53.290 --> 0:50:58.450
BROWNLEE, Michael
And have them in a list of it all in one place and all your all, all your information and stuff is in one place. So.
0:51:0.180 --> 0:51:8.790
BROWNLEE, Michael
Tina asks, can I update myself assessment while waiting for suitability? Not if your application is submitted or under assessment.
0:51:11.20 --> 0:51:16.410
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah, you just need to wait till you get that outcome and then you can update it. But like I said before.
0:51:18.370 --> 0:51:29.860
BROWNLEE, Michael
The Alchemist suitable not suitable and the levels are and not directly endorsed by us. So if it is in draft then you can it's in draft. You haven't submitted it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
0:51:38.870 --> 0:51:49.530
BROWNLEE, Michael
If for practitioner applied for proficient or above, but they can only provide strong evidence for core, can they still prescribe RP's restrictive practices?
0:51:56.120 --> 0:52:4.920
BROWNLEE, Michael
But they they can. Legally they can, if you. If you've been found. If you've been considered suitable, then you have the regulatory requirement.
0:52:6.330 --> 0:52:7.480
BROWNLEE, Michael
But you, you.
0:52:9.510 --> 0:52:33.560
BROWNLEE, Michael
The framework suggests that you are proficient and the the decisions based on whether or not you are suitable. If you self assess this core or endorse that, sorry if your self assessed as proficient and your supervisor endorsement proficient and there's no other concerns, so then we would reflect back your level as being proficient and unless there were issues and we look needed to look at your portfolio.
0:52:34.580 --> 0:52:38.170
BROWNLEE, Michael
It's it's not ideal. It is not a legal impediment to doing that.
0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:41.770
BROWNLEE, Michael
But it's not good practice, but you know, I guess you'll.
0:52:42.720 --> 0:52:44.450
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah, that's an odd question.
0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:55.470
BROWNLEE, Michael
If you've got, if you've got the appropriate skills at the professional level, then it's it's you consistent with the practice. You can't demonstrate everything at proficient level.
0:52:56.290 --> 0:52:59.460
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm it, it'd still be able to be considered suitable because.
0:53:0.670 --> 0:53:15.280
BROWNLEE, Michael
Images. I guess we just look at the more at the core level as as to whether or not you should be considered not suitable. So yeah, but interesting, there's a bit of work to do going forwards about just what levels mean and how they integrate into the legal side of things.
0:53:16.510 --> 0:53:35.50
BROWNLEE, Michael
A question from Leah again. When someone applies for the capability framework as a brand new practitioner and they put in their portfolio, how long until you review it? She's been waiting for some time for some of her practitioners who applied at the core level and could now, she believes, be considered as proficient. Yep.
0:53:37.990 --> 0:53:41.640
BROWNLEE, Michael
At the moment where prioritizing all the.
0:53:42.830 --> 0:53:45.80
BROWNLEE, Michael
But if you're putting it up now.
0:53:46.630 --> 0:53:48.40
BROWNLEE, Michael
After one July.
0:53:49.830 --> 0:53:52.240
BROWNLEE, Michael
Brand new applications will be prioritized.
0:53:53.440 --> 0:54:5.240
BROWNLEE, Michael
Because there won't be any provisional suitability if those new practitioners have done the rest 39 form and have got their provisional suitability letter, then they're OK to work, preserve that the requirement.
0:54:5.960 --> 0:54:23.990
BROWNLEE, Michael
If they've also put in laptop, if they've got a current application in and then we are working through those as as part of the transition of everyone from provisional suitability to being assessed against the framework. So reticulating have all those done in the next probably next two months, they should all be finalized.
0:54:24.890 --> 0:54:25.270
BROWNLEE, Michael
The.
0:54:26.220 --> 0:54:37.50
BROWNLEE, Michael
You can say then apply a higher. But I mean you can still self assess yourself. You can still go ahead and and update yourself. Assessment yourself if you've developed in preparation for it.
0:54:39.460 --> 0:54:47.520
BROWNLEE, Michael
A question from Carlo. What other practical implications of being called versus proficient versus specialist or advanced?
0:54:49.400 --> 0:55:1.510
BROWNLEE, Michael
They're similar to that question. Just had in that. So the framework recommends that you should be proficient if you're right, use your practices and if you are supervising others.
0:55:2.930 --> 0:55:13.490
BROWNLEE, Michael
And specialists we haven't spoken about specialists much as so specialist in the framework specialist really just is the first call out to say OK, not everyone.
0:55:14.200 --> 0:55:17.420
BROWNLEE, Michael
Well, at the same level this this levels of progression and experience.
0:55:18.170 --> 0:55:25.60
BROWNLEE, Michael
And specialist just calls out that there are areas that are specialties in in behaviour support such as.
0:55:26.30 --> 0:55:39.600
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah, working with people with who have had trauma working with dual diagnosis, mental health and and ID working with specifically with autism spectrum or working with a specific cohort.
0:55:40.950 --> 0:55:52.710
BROWNLEE, Michael
So there's no, there's not a lot of practical implications other than if we do apply to. If you do self assessment specialist, we are reviewing more of your portfolio.
0:55:53.190 --> 0:56:14.290
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm and uh, and that's specialist concept is something that we're operationalising from from what the framework talks about as being something that you've published in you've published research, you've presented conferences, you're someone that can supervise others in this particular area who has significant experience and expertise in it.
0:56:15.990 --> 0:56:26.650
BROWNLEE, Michael
So, but there aren't really many other practical implications other than your own professional development and and also the quality of practitioners that providers want to look at.
0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:58.870
BROWNLEE, Michael
Is the other side of I think a question from Susan asking does behavior management and training in parenthesis I'll have to be provided through an NDS registered provider. That's a great question. The requirements will behave as support. It depends what you're doing. If you are writing behavior support plans or are you are undertaking functional behavior assessments. If you do any of those two tasks then those have to be undertaken by a registered behavior support provider.
0:56:59.330 --> 0:57:2.290
BROWNLEE, Michael
That's what the provider registration standards state.
0:57:2.990 --> 0:57:12.300
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm. If they're doing other stuff that's not about writing your behavior support plan or functional assessment the it's a bit of a little bit grey, so you should be cautious.
0:57:13.720 --> 0:57:23.860
BROWNLEE, Michael
But that that's what the requirements relate to undertaking a functional pair assessment or writing and behavior support plan is what you need to be a registered provider to do.
0:57:25.890 --> 0:57:34.650
BROWNLEE, Michael
Important question from Veronica. So if a practitioner has an S 29 but has not done their self assessment application yet.
0:57:36.930 --> 0:57:42.500
BROWNLEE, Michael
The provisional registration continues. Is this correct? Yes, that's correct. So.
0:57:42.940 --> 0:58:14.520
BROWNLEE, Michael
It what's ending on one July is we're just not going to be processing anymore S 20 nines or giving provisional suitability. Existing provisional suitability statuses still valid and still continue up until you get an outcome on your application to that question, say they hadn't submitted an application. Yes. So she's saying that they had not yet submitted. You should may not have if you've been invited to. You do have a due date. She does. She does mention in brackets she has not yet been requested. So this sort of.
0:58:14.620 --> 0:58:21.0
BROWNLEE, Michael
That's getting invitation. Yes. No, no, those people still, it's still valid. The provisional stability is still valid. If you've got it.
0:58:22.380 --> 0:58:38.390
BROWNLEE, Michael
And and you should if you haven't been invited, please just go and start it, because you will be invited soon. If you haven't been. But yeah, no, that provisional suitability itself isn't isn't ending. We're just gonna stop giving you people provisional suitability and they will be going through the assessment process first.
0:58:39.900 --> 0:58:40.370
BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh.
0:58:41.980 --> 0:59:11.390
BROWNLEE, Michael
Question from Joanne is an application outcome time frame. For example, do you need to will we need to reapply after five or ten years or is it just a once per application? Exactly? It's actually forever. It's actually like it isn't a yeah in the app and in the rules it's it doesn't have a time limited concept to it. So once you suitable then you technically are considered suitable forever. But we can revoke suitability.
0:59:11.920 --> 0:59:17.720
BROWNLEE, Michael
And so we can we can we do have the power to revoke or review a suitability and.
0:59:18.960 --> 0:59:37.10
BROWNLEE, Michael
And look at Syria, but it doesn't. There's no there's no regulatory climate that you have that elapses or that you have to reply back. Again, unlike the provider register audits, for example, they have to be done every three years. There's no such stated requirement in relation to suitability in any of the legislation.
0:59:38.280 --> 0:59:52.70
BROWNLEE, Michael
We have a question from Daniel and asks, would a new practitioner be able to engage in the information gathering stage of positive behavior, support in a therapy aid of type role while they await their outcome?
0:59:53.680 --> 0:59:55.560
BROWNLEE, Michael
I believe so, yes.
0:59:56.840 --> 0:59:57.620
BROWNLEE, Michael
A blade so.
0:59:59.70 --> 1:0:2.320
BROWNLEE, Michael
As long as they they're, they're not. Yeah, I believe so.
1:0:4.720 --> 1:0:8.800
BROWNLEE, Michael
As always, at their work is consistent with that therapy aid role. There is overlap.
1:0:9.870 --> 1:0:11.480
BROWNLEE, Michael
Between some of those processes.
1:0:12.880 --> 1:0:17.910
BROWNLEE, Michael
And I and as I said, the requirement is specific to if you're writing a plan or undertaking a functional assessment.
1:0:20.880 --> 1:0:30.530
BROWNLEE, Michael
Question from Catherine. Is there any guide around the number of CBSP that should be submitted for assessment for suitability at the specialist level?
1:0:32.890 --> 1:0:36.170
BROWNLEE, Michael
I'm assuming CSP, TriMet comprehensive behavior support plans.
1:0:36.300 --> 1:0:36.500
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah.
1:0:36.710 --> 1:1:7.320
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm look 2 is good. I think 2 is a good number for a special several at least one but two is good if you don't have any other. Like if you don't have. If you're drawing or your experience to support your specialist self assessment and maybe three. But if you've got just depends how strongly your overall portfolio is that specialist specialist. If you've published research or you've published information in books or you've worked, that's sort of higher level.
1:1:7.410 --> 1:1:17.990
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm, what we do the we do request at least one because we do. Yeah. Being a specialist in the area, we still want to. You still need to have a proficient level of behavior support.
1:1:20.730 --> 1:1:21.90
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah.
1:1:22.740 --> 1:1:26.520
BROWNLEE, Michael
Diana was when the specialist applications will be completed.
1:1:27.460 --> 1:1:34.880
BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh, very soon. We're about to send out, I think about another maybe 200 applicate so hundred outcome letters in the next couple of days.
1:1:35.790 --> 1:1:38.120
BROWNLEE, Michael
Which will clean up a lot of those outstanding ones.
1:1:39.700 --> 1:1:46.450
BROWNLEE, Michael
And I'd say probably 4 weeks. All those anyone who's waiting for a long time should should be getting their letters in the next 4 weeks.
1:1:48.820 --> 1:1:57.610
BROWNLEE, Michael
Alex asks two questions. If you are approved, that core. Does this mean you will have to submit another application prior to doing specialists?
1:1:58.820 --> 1:2:6.760
BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh, all special yet? Well, you don't go from court to specialists. You go to proficient and advanced well proficient first at least.
1:2:7.310 --> 1:2:7.890
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm.
1:2:10.500 --> 1:2:15.750
BROWNLEE, Michael
It doesn't really good question. You are if you've got it out on that says you're suitable, then you are suitable.
1:2:17.680 --> 1:2:27.710
BROWNLEE, Michael
If you want it to be, if you wanted to have feedback on that letter that that that reflected our specialist level and then you would need to do another application.
1:2:29.210 --> 1:2:30.360
BROWNLEE, Michael
In order to receive that.
1:2:31.580 --> 1:2:32.290
BROWNLEE, Michael
But yeah.
1:2:35.470 --> 1:2:36.650
BROWNLEE, Michael
Also asked.
1:2:38.20 --> 1:2:58.800
BROWNLEE, Michael
If you are not suitable at specialist, do you then submit another application at a lower level IE core? So I'm not being not suitable at a level isn't really a thing. You're decision is you receive a decision about whether you're suitable or not suitable overall, and then you'll receive feedback about your application.
1:2:59.860 --> 1:3:4.230
BROWNLEE, Michael
So if if we and I guess what we have been doing is just with specialists, we do want.
1:3:6.590 --> 1:3:11.880
BROWNLEE, Michael
We do want to make sure people who are who are selfie assessing specialist really are specialists.
1:3:12.390 --> 1:3:13.620
BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh, so?
1:3:14.780 --> 1:3:24.490
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah, if if you if we didn't think of portfolio supported you are specialist our feedback would be that we think or portfolio is consistent with the professional the advanced level.
1:3:26.500 --> 1:3:34.880
BROWNLEE, Michael
It's not so much that you would be not suitable. That's specialist in what you'd rather be suitable or not suitable overall have that makes sense. It gets a bit confusing.
1:3:38.200 --> 1:3:48.990
BROWNLEE, Michael
Margaret asks if you are coaching others to use the positive behavior support plan. For example, parents or teachers, should you apply at a higher level than the lower level?
1:3:50.370 --> 1:3:57.870
BROWNLEE, Michael
No, no. I'm coaching implementers of plans, whether their family or education people or or. And yours providers is.
1:3:59.290 --> 1:4:19.560
BROWNLEE, Michael
I SUMAA practice across all levels. I would I would think if you're at the core level, you part of part of getting a plan into place involves coaching and supporting implements to understand the strategies and and that that's not specific. I think the advanced level talks a lot more about synthesizing.
1:4:20.360 --> 1:4:20.790
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm.
1:4:21.540 --> 1:4:35.60
BROWNLEE, Michael
You know more complex situations and probably working with more complex stakeholders, but supporting implementation isn't specific to a higher level. It's you could start doing that at cool. It's a cool it's a core practice to behave support.
1:4:37.890 --> 1:4:43.180
BROWNLEE, Michael
That's it for now. Great. Works off the chat just for a bit. Great, alright.
1:4:46.860 --> 1:4:48.230
BROWNLEE, Michael
Well, that's all that we had.
1:4:50.520 --> 1:4:51.150
BROWNLEE, Michael
So.
1:4:51.740 --> 1:4:57.130
BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh, we have Outback. Send the e-mail as well. Yeah. Yeah. So if you do have.
1:4:58.210 --> 1:5:2.400
BROWNLEE, Michael
Any questions that have come up from from this discussion?
1:5:3.90 --> 1:5:5.860
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm, definitely e-mail it through to through to our?
1:5:8.670 --> 1:5:11.770
BROWNLEE, Michael
New e-mail address which is all just pop it up.
1:5:12.790 --> 1:5:13.580
BROWNLEE, Michael
Uh.
1:5:19.710 --> 1:5:22.730
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah. So it is gonna do that wrong.
1:5:28.140 --> 1:5:31.290
BROWNLEE, Michael
These are the indices practitioners which you should be familiar with.
1:5:32.590 --> 1:5:36.310
BROWNLEE, Michael
Well, the contact centre, I can't use my computer today.
1:5:37.300 --> 1:5:37.750
BROWNLEE, Michael
There we go.
1:5:38.170 --> 1:5:47.40
BROWNLEE, Michael
Umm yeah. And we will review the questions that we've received and including the other webinars from this morning and then this afternoon.
1:5:48.330 --> 1:5:57.240
BROWNLEE, Michael
And our letter is gonna be going out to registered passport providers. Just giving them an update and including the fact sheet about the changes to the S 29 stuff.
1:5:58.220 --> 1:6:4.160
BROWNLEE, Michael
And yeah, we are working through all of the applications and then we will get them all completed. We will receive an outcome.
1:6:6.630 --> 1:6:13.60
BROWNLEE, Michael
Yeah. So I hope that's been helpful in terms of just getting some more information.
1:6:14.120 --> 1:6:24.240
BROWNLEE, Michael
They've had questions and that's pretty much it. Yeah, I think I will be sending out a copy of the slides. Yeah. Will e-mail a copy out of the slides people to refer to as well?
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BROWNLEE, Michael
OK. All right. We might leave it there. Thank you everyone. Thank you.